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Forging Ahead with Long-Termism, Deepening Supply Chain SaaS After Seven Years of Refinement – Exclusive Interview with Liu Bin, CEO of Deep Insights

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Forging Ahead With Long Termism, Deepening Supply Chain Saas After Seven Years Of Refinement – Exclusive Interview With Liu Bin, Ceo Of Deep Insights

Recently, ARC Advisory conducted an in-depth interview with Liu Bin, founder and CEO of Deep Insights. In this information-rich conversation, Liu not only reviewed the entire process of Deep Insights (formed by the merger of Quantum Asia and GILLION) from integration to restructuring, but also systematically elaborated on his unique understanding of the SaaS model, pragmatic views on the value of AI, and the overseas expansion blueprint shifting from “passive following” to “active advancement”. What he outlined is not a shortcut to chasing trends, but a difficult yet inevitable long-termism path in China’s complex enterprise services market.

I. Strategic Integration: Not “1+1=2”, but Genetic Recombination

The merger of Quantum Asia and GILLION was one of the most watched industry events in the supply chain software sector in 2023 in China. However, in Liu Bin’s narrative, this was never a simple story of scale expansion.

“We aim to achieve a strategic-level restructuring,” he made it clear from the start.

In his view, the core of the merger lies in complementary genes and capability recombination: Quantum Asia brought core SaaS genes, cloud-native architecture, and a reusable product ecosystem; while GILLION injected valuable industry-specific know-how, experience in serving large clients, and strong capabilities in handling complex deliveries.

“The integration of these two capability chains has laid a solid foundation for us to build an AI-driven end-to-end supply chain platform,” Liu revealed.

After the merger, Deep Insights made three crucial and coherent decisions:

Unified product roadmap: Built a complete product matrix covering WMS (Warehouse Management System), TMS (Transportation Management System), freight forwarding, shipping, and container management, committed to providing an “end-to-end supply chain collaboration platform” rather than scattered point tools.
Unified AI strategy: Clearly mapped out a phased development path from “AI-enhanced” (improving existing functions) to “AI-native” (restructuring product design), and ultimately to an “AI ecosystem”.
Unified delivery system: Innovatively proposed “AI-enhanced delivery”, aiming to use AI technology to improve the efficiency and standardization of project implementation, thereby achieving large-scale expansion.

“Our current goal is not only to make the system easy to use, but also to enable enterprises to have an intelligent supply chain platform that understands business and data and can independently optimize itself.”

II. The Way to Break Through in SaaS: Two Key Decisions – “Serving Large Clients” and “Supporting Customization”

“SaaS has encountered some difficulties in China, but its business model is sound.”

When asked why Deep Insights still adheres to the SaaS model amid a market flooded with customization demands, Liu Bin’s answer was unhesitant. Behind this seemingly plain statement is his deep belief in the industry’s underlying logic after more than a decade of deep cultivation in the supply chain software sector, experiencing model exploration and market tempering.

Currently, many peers in the SaaS industry shrink back in the face of complex customization needs from large enterprises and question whether SaaS can succeed in China. Why can Deep Insights stick to SaaS and make it a core competency? Liu shared two crucial “breakthrough” decisions during his entrepreneurial journey, and these details reveal the uniqueness of its model.

The first breakthrough was a strategic decision on “who to serve”.

“Initially, our understanding of SaaS was quite superficial. We thought SaaS was probably for small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs), and large enterprises would never use it.”

Liu recalled the exploration period from 2016 to 2017, when they designed a SaaS product tailored for SMEs. But the market quickly gave feedback: “After about half a year, we realized it was not working. It’s extremely difficult to do SaaS for SMEs in China, unless you target C-end customers.”

Amid the predicament, Liu made a decision that turned the tide: “I proposed that the clients we originally served with software should be our future SaaS clients. Our SaaS must be able to serve large enterprises.”

This key strategic shift opened a clear path for Deep Insights’ SaaS journey, directly targeting medium and large client groups with stronger payment capabilities and digital transformation willingness, laying the foundation for the success of its business model.

The second breakthrough was product and architectural innovation regarding “how to do it”.

Serving large enterprises inevitably involves customization demands. Rejecting customization outright would mean losing clients, while fully embracing it would deviate from the essence of SaaS. Deep Insights’ solution is highly innovative – “SaaS should support customization”.

“Different from traditional views in the market, we provide each large client with a ‘customization package’ on the multi-tenant architecture of the public cloud,” Liu explained the sophisticated design in detail. “We maintain rapid iterations of the main version every two weeks, while clients’ personalized needs are encapsulated in independent customization packages. Clients can retain their customized functions and independently choose whether to upgrade with the main version.”

This design is like setting up a “private compartment” that can be independently arranged for each VIP on a standardized high-speed train, perfectly balancing the fundamental contradiction between rapid iteration of product standardization and core personalized needs of clients and becoming the cornerstone for Deep Insights to attract and retain large clients in the long term.

III. AI Positioning: Evolution, Not Subversion

Faced with the sweeping AI wave, Liu Bin demonstrated rare calmness and pragmatism. He believes that AI is not a subverter of SaaS, but a natural “evolution”.

“The core of SaaS is process standardization, which is essentially process-based. In contrast, the core of AI is data-driven intelligence,” he accurately analyzed the relationship between the two, pointing out that they have different underlying starting points but are not oppositional. Liu further elaborated that AI not only fully inherits the most excellent subscription-based business model of SaaS, but more importantly, “we have been doing SaaS for nearly 10 years, and in fact, we have accumulated a large amount of desensitized data, which has become the best ‘fuel’ for AI.”

He further pointed out that AI is profoundly transforming the very way software is developed. “Since the beginning of this year, we have been practicing how to drive our internal development processes with AI. Our vision is that by next year, over 60% of the work will be done by AI, with 30% to 40% handled by humans for confirmation and verification.”

Based on this, he gave a clear judgment on industry evolution: “Initially, we developed standalone software, then we moved to internet-based software, and later evolved into SaaS. In fact, the transition from SaaS to AI is another evolution, which I think is an inevitable process.”

IV. Strategic Upgrade of Overseas Expansion: From “Riding on Others’ Ships” to “Building Our Own Vessels”

Regarding Deep Insights’ future development direction, Liu Bin’s answer clearly and firmly points to globalization.

“In the past few years, our overseas expansion has been ‘following Chinese enterprises going global’,” Liu frankly reviewed the initial stage. “But starting from this year, we will take the initiative to expand overseas.” He revealed that he has recently led a team to visit Southeast Asian markets such as Thailand and Singapore intensively. “We will adopt a dual-track approach: on the one hand, continue to deepen services for Chinese enterprises expanding overseas; on the other hand, actively promote our supply chain cloud, AI, and localized products to the local market.”

Conclusion: The “Inevitable Path” for Long-Termists

Throughout the conversation, Liu Bin consistently showed the clarity and determination of a “long-termist”. He is well aware of the difficulties of SaaS in the Chinese market, has witnessed early twists and turns and industry fluctuations, but firmly believes in its inherent value and irreversible direction.

With the strategic triangle of “SaaS as the foundation, industrialization as the accelerator, and AI as the engine”, Deep Insights is striving to blaze a path to the future in the soil of China’s enterprise services that requires patience and wisdom.

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The New Economics of Logistics Visibility

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Knowing that a shipment will arrive six hours late is information. Knowing it early enough to reschedule labor, protect a customer commitment, avoid detention, or change an inventory decision is economic value.

That distinction is becoming central to the logistics visibility market. The earlier argument that exceptions are becoming the real unit of work explains why visibility economics depend less on event volume than on whether the organization can convert important events into timely resolution.

The first era of visibility was largely about answering a basic question: Where is my shipment? The next era is about a harder question: What should I do because its state has changed?

Visibility Is Not the Outcome

Location and status data can be valuable, but they are intermediate products. A business does not earn a return because a dot moved across a map more accurately. The return appears when information changes an operational decision. A useful way to think about visibility is as a chain: signal -> interpretation -> decision -> intervention -> economic outcome. If any link is missing, much of the potential value disappears.

A Signal Has to Arrive Inside the Decision Window

Timing matters.

A delay discovered after the customer has already missed production is history. The same delay identified early enough to expedite an alternate shipment may be actionable. An ETA update received after warehouse labor has reported for a shift may have less value than the same update received while the schedule can still be changed.

This means visibility quality is not only about accuracy. It is about whether the signal arrives with enough lead time to support an intervention.

Not Every Exception Deserves Attention

As visibility improves, organizations often discover a new problem: too many exceptions. A network with thousands of shipments will always contain delays, deviations, missed scans, changing ETAs, and incomplete data. If every deviation creates an alert, planners become the bottleneck. The more important capability is prioritization.

Which late shipment threatens a high-value order? Which delay creates a stockout? Which container risks demurrage? Which arrival change will disrupt a dock schedule? Which event is likely to self-correct without intervention?

Visibility becomes intelligence when the system can distinguish operational consequence from mere deviation.

ETA Is a Decision Input

Estimated time of arrival is a good example of how the economics are changing. ETA was once primarily a customer-service or tracking metric. Increasingly it can influence warehouse scheduling, yard planning, labor, inventory, customer promises, and downstream transportation. That makes ETA a shared operating variable.

The value increases when the prediction is connected to the systems that can respond. A changing ETA that remains trapped in a visibility dashboard creates less value than one that can trigger a workflow or decision elsewhere.

Dwell, Detention, and Demurrage Make the Economics Visible

Some visibility use cases have direct financial consequences. Better awareness of arrival, dwell, free-time windows, and container status can help organizations manage detention and demurrage exposure. Yard visibility can reduce unnecessary trailer search and moves. Earlier exception detection can protect delivery appointments and reduce costly service recovery. These cases make an important point: visibility value is often realized outside the visibility platform itself.

More Visibility Can Increase Work

This is the uncomfortable side of digital transparency. If a company exposes ten times as many events but does not improve prioritization or workflow, it may create ten times as many things for people to inspect. The result can be an expensive monitoring layer sitting on top of the same manual decision process.

That is why visibility and autonomous exception management are converging. The system must increasingly help decide which events require action, assemble context, recommend a response, and automate routine resolution where appropriate.

Measure Intervention, Not Just Coverage

Visibility programs are often measured by tracking coverage, data completeness, ETA accuracy, or number of connected carriers. Those are necessary operating metrics, but they do not fully describe business value.

Organizations should also ask: How many material exceptions were identified early enough to act? How quickly were they resolved? How often did intervention protect service or avoid cost? How many alerts required no useful action? How much planner time was consumed per exception?

Those measures connect visibility to economics.

The Market Is Moving Toward Action

This shift has strategic implications for technology providers. Pure visibility is becoming less differentiated as location and event data become more widely available. The higher-value layer is interpretation and action: understanding what an event means to a specific operation and helping execute the appropriate response.

That pushes visibility platforms toward orchestration, workflow, decision intelligence, and AI. It also pushes TMS, WMS, and other execution systems toward richer external event awareness.

The Bottleneck Moves

For years, logistics organizations complained that they could not make better decisions because they could not see what was happening. Increasingly, they can see more.

The bottleneck is moving.

When a network can identify exceptions continuously, the constraint becomes the speed and quality with which the organization can interpret and resolve them. That is precisely the environment in which AI agents become interesting—not because logistics needs another conversational interface, but because it needs more capacity to do operational work.

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o9 Solutions Uses a Knowledge Graph to Connect Supply Chain Decisions

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Supply chain decision-making is difficult partly because the relevant information is distributed across products, locations, suppliers, orders, capacities, policies, and external events. A system may have access to all of those records and still struggle to understand the relationships among them quickly enough to support a consequential decision.

o9 Solutions addresses that problem through its Digital Brain architecture, including an enterprise knowledge graph and in-memory modeling designed to connect demand, supply, inventory, planning, and operating context. That semantic layer is important because it gives analytics and AI a structured representation of how supply chain entities relate to one another rather than treating the environment as a collection of independent tables and documents.

The company combines this architecture with integrated planning, optimization, scenario modeling, machine learning, and human oversight. The strategic direction is toward a continuous decision environment where changes can be interpreted quickly, alternatives can be modeled, and recommendations can be traced back to the assumptions, events, and constraints that produced them.

As with any broad planning and intelligence platform, the value depends on implementation quality. Knowledge models need strong data governance, entity resolution, process ownership, and clear decision rights. A sophisticated model of the supply chain is useful only if the organization can keep it current and use it consistently in real operating workflows.

o9 Solutions appears in the Logistics Viewpoints Supply Chain Decision Intelligence MarketMap and Autonomous Exception Management MarketMap. The two MarketMaps highlight the relationship between integrated decision intelligence and the faster exception-response capabilities now developing around it.

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AI Will Not Transform the Supply Chain Until the Architecture Around It Catches Up

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Executive thesis. The model is becoming the least durable layer of the AI stack. Sustainable advantage will come from the operating architecture around AI: authoritative context, governed tools, permissions, observability, and connection to enterprise workflows.

The model is only one component

Supply chain AI discussions often begin with model capability: prediction accuracy, reasoning quality, computer vision performance, or the fluency of a generative system. Those capabilities matter, but operational value depends on everything around the model. The system still needs authoritative context, enterprise tools, permissions, workflow, observability, and a reliable path from recommendation to action.

Different AI patterns solve different problems

Prediction, optimization, generative AI, vision, and agents should not be treated as interchangeable technologies. Forecasting demand, selecting a route, extracting information from a document, interpreting an image, and executing a multi-step workflow require different evidence, control, and performance measures. A mature architecture starts with the decision or task and chooses the AI pattern that fits it.

Context is the operating fuel

An AI system can produce a plausible answer while using stale or incomplete operational context. In logistics, that can be dangerous because the truth may reside across orders, inventory, rates, carrier status, warehouse state, supplier records, and policy documents. Retrieval, master data, identity resolution, and system access therefore become part of the AI architecture, not secondary data-engineering concerns.

Tool access turns intelligence into consequence

The moment an AI system can create a shipment, change an order, contact a carrier, release inventory, or approve an exception, governance becomes an operational requirement. Tool permissions, financial limits, approval gates, idempotency, retries, and rollback are the mechanisms that separate an interesting demonstration from a dependable production workflow.

Measure workflow performance

A fluent response is not the right success metric for operational AI. Supply chain leaders should measure decision latency, manual context gathering, exception closure, override behavior, error recovery, tool failure, and the business outcome being improved. That measurement discipline also creates a rational basis for expanding autonomy as evidence accumulates.

The Logistics Viewpoints AI in Logistics: Use Cases, Architecture, and Implementation Guide separates the major AI patterns and connects them to data, tools, governance, workflow, observability, and ROI—the architecture required to move from model capability to operating value.

Executive implication

AI strategy should separate model selection from control architecture and measure value through workflow performance, decision quality, and operational outcomes.

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